Hadith 13

him and won over him. Then he-asws said: ‘O Taqy! Speak to him’. He spoke to him and won over him, meaning by Al-Taqy Muhammad Bin Al-Numan. Then he-asws said to Hisham Bin Salim, and he spoke to him, and they were both equal. Then he-asws said to Qays Al-Masir: ‘Speak to him’. He spoke to him. Abu Abdullah-asws turned, smiling from their speech, and the Syrian had been humiliated in his hands. Then he-asws said to the Syrian: ‘Speak to this boy’ – meaning Hisham Bin Al-Hakam. He said, ‘Yes’. Then the Syrian said to Hisham, ‘O boy! Ask me regarding the Imamate of this one’ – meaning Abu Abdullah-asws’. Hisham got angry until he trembled, then said to him, ‘Inform me, O you! Does your Lord-azwj Look out for His-azwj creatures or His-azwj creatures (look out) for themselves? ’ The Syrian said, ‘But my Lord-azwj Looks out for His-azwj creatures’. He said, ‘So the deed of Him-azwj Looking out for them regarding their Religion, what is that? ’ He said, ‘Encumbers them and Establishes a Divine Authority for them, and evidence upon what He-azwj had Encumbered them with, displacing their reasons regarding that’. Hishan said to him, ‘So, what is this evidence which He-azwj Installed for them? ’
The Syrian said, ‘He is Rasool-Allah-saww’. Hisham said, ‘So who is it after Rasool-Allah-saww? ’ He said, ‘The Book and the Sunnah’. Hisham said, ‘So, are we benefitting today by the Book and the Sunnah in what we are differing in until the differing gets raised from us and we are enabled with the concurring? ’ The Syrian said, ‘Yes’. Hisham said, ‘Then why are we differing, and you have come from Syrian and are opposing us and claiming that the opining is the way of the Religion, and you are acknowledging with that the opinion, there is no consensus upon one word by the differing. The Syrian was silent like the thoughtful one. Abu Abdullah-asws said: ‘What is the matter you are not speaking? ’ He said, ‘If I were to say we are not differing, I would be lying, and if I were to say that the Book and the Sunnah have both raised the differing, I would be invalidated, because they both carry the (various) aspects, and if I say we have differed and each one of us is claiming the truth, then we are not benefitting with the Book and the Sunnah, but there is for me upon it the like of that (Divine Authority)’. Abu Abdullah-asws said to him: ‘Ask him (Hisham), you will find him filled (with knowledge)’. The Syrian said to Hisham: ‘Who looks out for the creatures, their Lord-azwj or themselves? ’ He said, ‘But, their Lord-azwj Looks out for them’. The Syrian said, ‘So, does He-azwj Establish someone for them who unites their speech and raises their differing and explains to them their rights from their falsehoods? ’ Hisham said, ‘Yes’. The Syrian said, ‘Who is he? ’ Hisham said, ‘As for the beginning of the L